Xenophobe's Guide to Globalisation

Dear friends our super fly boy claims that expats have 25 years of experience . yeah! right they have 25 years of experience sitting in the cockpit not flying the aircraft, all they have ever done is take off from 10000 feet long runways and land on even longer runways shooting ILS approaches, the day ILS IS NOT AVAILABLE THEY START.... GOD only help if for a chance autopilot and flight director is taken away. im sure most of them dont even know the autothrottle can be switched off in this plane. whereas the indian pilots are able to fly raw data even during copilot training. they cannot even compete with our newly released copilots let alone THE TOO MANY BOYS

30 Oct 2009 03:04 There have been Expats who,s currency had lapsed. Not only did 9w do their FULL training ( 6 SIM sessions check ), but they did it FREE and without the obligation of any bond ! Jet's magnanimity knows no bounds when it comes to expat pilots.

29 Oct 2009 12:10 First of all how do these expats make it through screening and the initial License Renewal(L/R) check and there after the mandatory simulator sessions as well as the aircraft route checks. What we need is ready rated pilots who can be put on line with minimal training. Here as of now we have become a training institution for these expat monkeys/ guys who just get their licence current and get a free B737NG rating which they have as a common rating and even if we sack them they have spent a good 3 month holiday of staying in a 5 star and have got a rating and go back to flying elsewhere in the world. There have been stories of their arrogance we all know that . I urge the co-pilots to kindly report these unsafe events in an anonymous report. We cannot afford to loose an airplane or wait for an incident to happen. So much for the superflyboyz

27 Oct 2009 11:32 <br /> <br /> May be someone should put up the number of expat pilots which have to be given corrective traning and sim time before they come on line or how many lofts they have to do<br /> or how some still cant figure out RTOW charts. <br /> Would like to meet this superflyboy who thinks he is such hot shit

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Dear friends, I am pasting these comments back from my saved data. These are the comments by an expat about Indians in the 9W cockpit and he has deleted these comments after seeing the Indians reactions. Your comments please... SuperFlyBoy : September 25, 2009 One thing is certain - the domestic Indian pilots cannot match the expat pilots for their experience and professionalism. There are just too many of these "boys" flying our (Jet Airways) planes, who have no real idea what they are doing, yet they want equality with an experienced pilot of 25 years or more. Just my Rs. 2/- on the matter - one *knows* when we are landing with Indian cockpit crew, rather than with any other nationality - sorry, but this is the reality... (SuperFlyBoy on 25th Sep, 2009)

Question on the UPWA: So why are expat pilots gaining entry into airlines in India under FATA? <br /> There are a number of reasons, the most prominent being that the provisions of FATA are discriminatory and give an unfair advantage to foreign pilots. Sample this: a foreign pilot who was responsible for, say, an air accident in 2007 may not get a promotion as an instructor in his country soon but can work as an instructor in India in 2009 under FATA. An Indian commander with the same record would have to operate safe flights for 10 years (till 2017) to become an instructor.<br /> An Indian pilot has to undergo a string of additional medical tests by IAF doctors when they reach the ages of 55, 57, 59 and 60. Foreign pilots in India undergo a simple medical check with a local medical practitioner who is approved by their respective authorities. Lastly, if an Indian commander has to join another airline in India as a commander, he/she should have at least 1,000 hours as pilot-in-command on the same aircraft type. A foreign commander can get the same post with only 100 hours as pilot-in-command.

Super Fly Boy so good is your experience that most of you have to go back to your own countries for your base checks. We all know how well you will perform in the simulators here. Also it will do you good to check the incidents over the past couple of years and see that an overwhelming majority of them involved expats. Tail strike in Bangalore, landing on the wrong runway in Delhi, GPWS terrain warning in Pune, both pilots falling asleep across the atlantic are just a few.

What is more important is not the 25 years of experience. Not all expats are with 25 years experience. There are many with just 6 months to 2 years. We have many Indian Nationals with more than 35 years experience. <br /> <br /> Even for them (Indians or Expats), hours or years do not matter nor does the accent of Radio transmissions. <br /> <br /> All these so called expat Pilots- the superflyboyz should first take an open challenge with the local talent. We will seek volunteers.<br /> <br /> Let them organize or We shall put up a neutral external agency maybe from the MIT or the NASA or the IIT( yes the IIT is from India) and have a theory test and also a simulator test for the qualifying Indians and if any expat Pilots qualify or the ones who are sitting on the positions of responsibility in the management of Jet Airways (India) Limited manage to even qualify in the written test then the competition will be good. <br /> <br /> This so-called SuperFlyBoy/z are racist and need to be brought to a decent size. We don't care for the money. No self respecting Indian will take shit from these underqualified/ selfish/ parasites on the Indian economy/ corrupt-by thoughts- expats and let these expats get away with all this shit.<br /> <br /> We have many expat pilots from Europe- cases of these expats who are parasites on Radars. In India we also need to do NDB/ VOR/ procedural approaches and visual landings. I have seen many of these expats cannot even read a conventional full approach procedure chart. Some have even got away alive from terrain impact warnings and this very expat management has dismissed these guys. I doubt if these guys really have the quality and experience. Nobody dare to be arrogant with the knowledge gained. <br /> <br /> An Indian-always willing to learn !<br /> Willing to Forgive and Forget !!<br /> Cannot take shit- Lying down !!!<br /> That too forever !!!!

One thing is certain - the domestic Indian pilots cannot match the expat pilots for their experience and professionalism. There are just too many of these "boys" flying our (Jet Airways) planes, who have no real idea what they are doing, yet they want equality with an experienced pilot of 25 years or more. Just my Rs. 2/- on the matter - one *knows* when we are landing with Indian cockpit crew, rather than with any other nationality - sorry, but this is the reality...